Interview with Rev. Dr Victor George on Decision-Making Process

Interview 1
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Interview 2
Summary
The interview was conducted with Rev. Dr Victor George, who has been a pastor and
counsellor for the longest time. The interview showed his decision-making process, which is
similar to the process that has been described as the grief model by Kübler-Ross. The model
was about the 5 stages of grief, which the pastor has taken to be the 5 stages of decision-
making (Newell, et al, 2015). It draws on his biblical beliefs, which the pastor feels are
important as well.

Interview 3
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1. Have you ever been forced to counsel someone you didn’t want to?
Yes, I had been forced to counsel someone I never wanted to. There was this man who was in
prison for raping some women, and then murdering them. He was feeling suicidal after 5
years in the prison and I had to go and counsel him, since at that time I was a part of a church
that was in the area, and I had to go and counsel them.
2. How did you feel about it?
I felt terrible about it. I was a man of God, and this man had committed the most heinous
crimes. But I was forced to do it, since I was the only one in the pastoral group who was a
trained psychologist. It felt wrong in many ways, but I had to convince myself to do it.
3. How did you get through the counselling process?
There is a phrase in the Bible, Mathew 7:1-5, that says “Do Not Judge, or you too will be
judged”. That is the phrase I kept saying to myself all the time. Psychopathy is a personality
disorder, according to DSM-5. The man was a psychopath, but I was not in the position to
judge him in any way.
4. Did your belief help in getting you through the counselling session?
Yes, it most definitely did! I would not have been able to conduct the counselling session if I
was not such a devout believer in God. I still feel that a few Bible phrases, such as the one
mentioned above, and Luke 6:37, which says “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do
not condemn and you will not be condemned. Forgive and you will be forgiven.”
5. Have you ever had to counsel someone that you knew?